Idle issue since 5060 ti installed

[N3utro]

Hey guys,

Since i installed my new 5060 ti a few days ago i noticed that installing the drivers would induce a constant 1% usage by the windows "system" process, that my cpu wouldn't go into low power mode properly (high frequency and voltage at idle) and that the gpuz sensor tab would report weird things like high idle bus interface load (see attached picture).

Could you guys also post your gpuz sensor tab at idle so i could compare please? Thank you!

 

[DarkDreams]

Did you use DDU to clean install the new drivers? If not I would recommend doing so first.

 

[N3utro]

Did you use DDU to clean install the new drivers? If not I would recommend doing so first.

Yes, also tried nvcleaninstall but same issue

 

[DarkDreams]

Maybe it's a crypto-mining trojan? Try scanning with malwarebytes. Although the fact that it is saying Perfcap reason power is really weird.

 

[N3utro]

Maybe it's a crypto-mining trojan? Try scanning with malwarebytes. Although the fact that it is saying Perfcap reason power is really weird.

This happens on a fresh clean install of windows 11 with only chipset drivers installed. It doesn't happen before graphic drivers are installed, and it stops after i uninstall them.

Sounds more like a driver issue to me, but i need to compare with other people gpuz sensor tab at idle to confirm. I could switch my 5060 ti to a spare gtx 1060 as well to check but since everything is already setup properly in my case i'd like to avoid having to double swap just to troubleshoot this.

 

[Chrispy_]

What drivers are you running? You don't want to be on 576.02, it's godawful and full of bugs including sensor reporting bugs. There's a new WHQL driver version that came out around 12 hours ago

I've been on the 576.15 hotfix for a week, though I haven't checked behaviour at idle with those drivers.

 

[N3utro]

What drivers are you running? You don't want to be on 576.02, it's godawful and full of bugs including sensor reporting bugs. There's a new WHQL driver version that came out around 12 hours ago

I've been on the 576.15 hotfix for a week, though I haven't checked behaviour at idle with those drivers.

I'm on the latest 576.28 WHQL released yesterday. I've tried all drivers released compatible with the 5060 ti.

 

[Chrispy_]

High idle bus interface load isn't anything to be too worried about, it's might have dropped down to one lane to save power. What's the Bus Interface saying in the first tab of GPU-Z? I've seen GPUs drop down to one lane a few times, and 38% of 1 lane is a very low load overall, especially if its dropped from Gen5 to Gen2 as well.

Check your motherboard settings for PCIe speeds and PCIe power saving, too. It has just as much say in the PCIe bus behaviour as the graphics driver.

 

[N3utro]

High idle bus interface load isn't anything to be too worried about, it's might have dropped down to one lane to save power. What's the Bus Interface saying in the first tab of GPU-Z? I've seen GPUs drop down to one lane a few times, and 38% of 1 lane is a very low load overall, especially if its dropped from Gen5 to Gen2 as well.

Check your motherboard settings for PCIe speeds and PCIe power saving, too. It has just as much say in the PCIe bus behaviour as the graphics driver.

I still would like to compare to someone else gpuz sensor tab at idle if anyone would be so kind to post theirs

 

[Chrispy_]

Okay, so it's running the PCIe bus to your GPU at Gen 1.1 which is 1/16th of it's normal speed
38% of 1/16th is 2.4% - which means it's barely being used.

presumably it speeds up to PCIe 5.0 once you fire up an application that needs more bandwidth?

I still would like to compare to someone else gpuz sensor tab at idle if anyone would be so kind to post theirs

It's exactly the same (clean W11 workstation, freshly imaged)

 

[N3utro]

Okay, so it's running the PCIe bus to your GPU at Gen 1.1 which is 1/16th of it's normal speed
38% of 1/16th is 2.4% - which means it's barely being used.

presumably it speeds up to PCIe 5.0 once you fire up an application that needs more bandwidth?



It's exactly the same (clean W11 workstation, freshly imaged)

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Thank you!

But since you also have a 5060 ti you might have the same issue. I was hoping for someone with an older GPU and older driver to compare, but i guess i'll have to check myself with my gtx 1060 if i want to go to the bottom of this. But i'm a bit lazy to do it since my 5060 ti performance is already good, so i'll just call it a day

 

[dgianstefani]

With a 5 W load, I wouldn't worry.

 

[N3utro]

With a 5 W load, I wouldn't worry.

Do you have the same load at idle with your 3080 ti?

 

[CheteriagalenTriagalnik]

You're running sub 5 watts, that's definitely idle. Is the GPU doing anything that is bothering you?

 

[DarkDreams]

Thank you!

But since you also have a 5060 ti you might have the same issue. I was hoping for someone with an older GPU and older driver to compare, but i guess i'll have to check myself with my gtx 1060 if i want to go to the bottom of this. But i'm a bit lazy to do it since my 5060 ti performance is already good, so i'll just call it a day

If you wanted an older card for comparison, here is my 1660 super (win 10, 551.86):

 

[yungbarol]

Hey. I'm sorry for reviving an old thread but i'm having some similar issue. My gpu is on idle but my perfcap reason is always like this alternating between perfcap pwr and VRel. Even tho I'm not doing anything. My GPU is 2 days old

 

[CheteriagalenTriagalnik]

Hey. I'm sorry for reviving an old thread but i'm having some similar issue. My gpu is on idle but my perfcap reason is always like this alternating between perfcap pwr and VRel. Even tho I'm not doing anything. My GPU is 2 days old

You're running 4-7W idle, that GPU really isn't being used any more than it should be. Changes like this can be normal. Do you have the 16GB variant?

 

[yungbarol]

You're running 4-7W idle, that GPU really isn't being used any more than it should be. Changes like this can be normal. Do you have the 16GB variant?

Yes I do. Asus Prime 5060 ti OC 16GB. It's weird that it's jumping between those 2 states. Pwr and vrel and as soon as I hop into a game I always have vrel on and power it's fine.

 

[CheteriagalenTriagalnik]

Yes I do. Asus Prime 5060 ti OC 16GB. It's weird that it's jumping between those 2 states. Pwr and vrel and as soon as I hop into a game I always have vrel on and power it's fine.

I really don't see any reason to worry. It powers up properly when under a load and idles super efficiently. Do you have any performance issues with the card?

 

[yungbarol]

I really don't see any reason to worry. It powers up properly when under a load and idles super efficiently. Do you have any performance issues with the card?

I mean I think it should be pulling more watts in certain games but I don't think so. What worries me is that they are switching between those two states on idle and then only vrel on any game. But comparing to the screenshots posted above seems like everyone is having the same issue

 

[Chrispy_]

I mean I think it should be pulling more watts in certain games but I don't think so. What worries me is that they are switching between those two states on idle and then only vrel on any game. But comparing to the screenshots posted above seems like everyone is having the same issue

If it's sub-10W at idle and >150W under load then it's fine.

The reason the driver caps the power is complex. GPU-Z gets a code from the driver, but only Nvidia really know what's going on under the hood. So long as utilzation and power draw are in the right ballpark, I wouldn't overthink it.

 

[yungbarol]

If it's sub-10W at idle and >150W under load then it's fine.

The reason the driver caps the power is complex. GPU-Z gets a code from the driver, but only Nvidia really know what's going on under the hood. So long as utilzation and power draw are in the right ballpark, I wouldn't overthink it.

That's the problem it rarely gets over 140w. It stays at around 130w in the last of us part 1 maxed out. I only play 1080p tho.

 

[Chrispy_]

Try Furmark to make sure your card can actually draw 100% TDP, and it's not some vBIOS/power delivery issue at play.

My Prime 5060Ti is installed right now so I can give you what I get. No games seem to hit 100% TDP, most hover around 90% for some reason - I guess in those workloads the 5060Ti doesn't need its full TDP to hit max boost and max voltage (see below - vRel is the PerfCap reason once I turned off vsync, but GPU utilisation is at 100%)

Furmark and gaming GPU-Z screenshots below.

 

[yungbarol]

Try Furmark to make sure your card can actually draw 100% TDP, and it's not some vBIOS/power delivery issue at play.

My Prime 5060Ti is installed right now so I can give you what I get. No games seem to hit 100% TDP, most hover around 90% for some reason - I guess in those workloads the 5060Ti doesn't need its full TDP to hit max boost and max voltage (see below - vRel is the PerfCap reason once I turned off vsync, but GPU utilisation is at 100%)

Furmark and gaming GPU-Z screenshots below.
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First of all thank you for taking the time with this. Can you check if your gpu gets Perfcap power on idle and as soon as you open a program or click something you get perfcap vrel for a bit then back to pwr? Sorry for the trouble.
I get 180w on furmark, on occt 3d adapt extreme as well, only tried continuous which draws the max wattage. But on games I hover around 120, 130w. The max I got was control with everything maxed out which got me 150w.

Try Furmark to make sure your card can actually draw 100% TDP, and it's not some vBIOS/power delivery issue at play.

My Prime 5060Ti is installed right now so I can give you what I get. No games seem to hit 100% TDP, most hover around 90% for some reason - I guess in those workloads the 5060Ti doesn't need its full TDP to hit max boost and max voltage (see below - vRel is the PerfCap reason once I turned off vsync, but GPU utilisation is at 100%)

Furmark and gaming GPU-Z screenshots below.
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Just got home so I had some time to do some more testing.
On the left its my GPU at furmark, on the right its after 30min of playing indiana jones and the great circle maxed out. Keep in mind i game only at 1080p

 

[Chrispy_]

First of all thank you for taking the time with this. Can you check if your gpu gets Perfcap power on idle and as soon as you open a program or click something you get perfcap vrel for a bit then back to pwr?

Mine's always showing PerfCap as VRel, even at idle.

I ran Unigine Superposition on the 1080p Extreme benchmark preset for you, I picked that because you can download and run it for free to make comparisons.



This is an old AM4 system on PCIe 4.0. Gigabyte X570 running W11 24H2. Everything is bone-stock, and the Asus 5060Ti isn't a factory OC model.